I can not find any meaningful documentation on how to set up for and use these faders. I have tried setting up a series of cues with manual time set for up/down and then tried cross-fading from one to the next. However it all just gets extremely confusing when viewing the resulting outputs.
Is there a simple explanation of how you use them? Do they work in opposition - so to fade from one cue to the next you move them in opposite directions - or do they work ganged? I just don't seem able to get any consistent results.
A short tutorial video would be very helpful - the existing ones are great! I do hope that more will be made!
Roger
Roger, so if I understand this, you are trying to run all of your cues manually, using a split up/down fade? The normal behavior for the faders is as follows:
if you have recorded a manual, non split time, the left fader controls the transition. You put the fader at the bottom of travel, press go, and then the fader controls the transition.
If you have recorded a manual split time, the left fader controls the up intensity + non-intensity parameters while the right fader controls the intensity downfade. Again, you put the faders at the bottom of travel, press go and then the faders control the transition.
If you are taking over a cue already in motion: If the cue is a non-split fade, the left fader controls the entire cue, once the fader is dropped to zero and then brought up the the current level. If the cue is a split fade, the left fader controls the up intensity and NPs, while the right fader controls the downfade.
does that help?
anne
Anne Valentino
Eos Product Line Manager
Thanks Anne, that explanation was very helpful. Did I miss such an explanation in the User Manual? If not, then I would recommend that it be included in any future revisions - especially to help people like me who are coming from an old-fashioned style console.
Is there any way to trigger the next cue without pressing the GO button? What would be good to achieve is the ability to push both faders up, so that the previous cue fades out and the new one in; then for the system to move to the next cue, so that when the faders are returned to the bottom, they don't reverse the transition, but are then ready for the next transition. Maybe this would be better done using submasters, but I haven't yet sorted out in my mind how to mix submasters with timed/manual cues and the LTP philosophy.
Will check the manual. It's possible we didn't get into that much detail about the exact fader behavior.
We are pondering auto-triggering cues by a fader move from zero. This is a playback style that ETC consoles have generally not dealt with. There are some implementation details that need to be resolved yet. Just so you are aware, because the master faders on Element are always "proportional", the cue will automatically release from control when the faders hit full.
Thanks much!
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Thanks for the extra explanation of releasing control. I have just found out the hard way, that unless the two playback faders are at 100%, then timed queues don't execute! Maybe this should have been obvious? Could there be some on-screen indication of this state?
This may be better under a new thread, but while trying to work out why cues weren't running automatically, I experimented with Softkey 5 - "Fader Control". If you press this, you get 3 different soft keys - "Rate", "Stop Effect" and "Time Dis.". Two questions: (1) If you press "Rate", then how do you change the Rate? "Rate 100%" appears in blue above the up and down times, but I don't see how to change it. (2) What does "Time dis" do?
I apologise if some of this information is in the User Manual, but I have been unable to find it.
Regards
Andy,
When you have enabled 'rate' you can use the level wheel (Ion & Element), or the rate wheel (Eos) to alter the % value you see.
If you hold down the 'Timing Dis.' button then hit the Go or back button the cues will be executed with no timing. (Snap)
If you hold Timing Dis then hit the Load key for the Playback you will apply Timing Disable to that QList. This is a toggle state. You will see TD displayed next to your current cue at the bottom of the PSD to warn you.
Hope that helps
Thanks Graham. Is that documented anywhere? Maybe it is in the Ion manual?
I tried the level wheel but it didn't seem to alter the rate. Maybe I got something wrong. I will try it again next time I am at the theatre.
Roger (sorry!),
Playback Fader Controls are described on page 215 of the Ion 1.7 manual.
Rate is on p220.
The manual is slightly misleading when it refers to the 'Load button for the required fader'. On an Ion this of course refers to pressing both of the fader buttons together. (or the main Playback Load button) Eos has an independent Load button for each playback.
Graham